Category: Health service reforms

The abolition of the NHS in England

This first appeared in the Huffington Post UK on 14 March 2016

Written with Peter Roderick, co-author of the NHS Bill

On Friday, the cross party NHS Bill returned to the Commons for its second reading (watch the video). The Bill was filibustered by the Conservatives, and following only 17 minutes of debate, it was adjourned. The second reading is unlikely to continue.

Most people are probably unaware of what’s happening. But increasingly the market is invading. Virgin now has over 300 NHS contracts, and an active litigation department. They have successfully prevented commissioners in Hull from allowing local GPs to run primary care services, and are facing a legal challenge from the local trust in Kent to their £128 million contract because of concerns about patient and staff safety. Meanwhile Monitor the regulator has now issued 114 private provider licences. The amount spent by local commissioners and trusts on non-NHS providers went up from £6.6 billion in 2009 to £10 billion in 2014. Industry analysts estimate the community services market to be worth £10bn-to £20bn annually. Trade unions have described “a surge in privatisation“.

Nick Clegg said in 2010 that “breaking up the NHS is exactly what you do need to do“. It’s a painful irony that this is one of the more successful things the coalition government achieved. Its 2012 Health and Social Care Act, piloted by Andrew Lansley, abolished the duties of the Secretary of State to provide and secure services in accordance with the Act, and to provide listed health services throughout England. The latter was replaced by a duty on over 200 new clinical commissioning groups to make contracts for those services for persons for whom each CCG is responsible and establishing the NHS Commissioning Board (NHS England). NHS trusts were prospectively abolished, with the intention of them all becoming NHS foundation trusts which can now receive 49% of their income from outside the NHS. “Public health” functions were created as two legal categories split between the Secretary of State and local authorities, and carved out of the NHS. Virtually compulsory contractual tendering for providing NHS services was introduced and Monitor’s role as an economic regulator was extended with functions aimed at preventing anti-competitive practices.

But the rot didn’t begin with Lansley’s Act. Ken Clarke started it in 1990 with his great split. He ended direct management of services by health authorities and created “purchasers” and “providers”, turning hospitals into ‘NHS trusts’ with borrowing powers, and their own finance, human resources and PR departments. New Labour built on that by scaling up the exorbitantly expensive Private Finance Initiative, so that for one hospital built we may be paying for two. Alan Milburn paved the way for foundation trusts, and now runs a very profitable private healthcare consultancy, while Lansley advises Bain & Company, which helps healthcare companies with their strategy.

Politicians pushing laws from which they then benefit corrode the political process, and these laws have wasted billions of pounds, year on year. The purchaser-provider split was introduced to open up the market in health services. Providers compete for patients and service income. Lawyers, accountants and management consultants are needed to administer – and challenge – the market, and they can’t do their jobs without pulling clinicians away from theirs. Quantifying the costs of a market bureaucracy is fraught with difficulty, but the costs of a market bureaucracy are significantly more than the costs of a public bureaucracy. The House of Commons Select Committee in 2010 was “appalled” that the four most senior civil servants in the Department of Health could not tell them the cost of the market.The usually-cited figures for NHS administrative costs are about 5% before the 1980s, and 14% by 2005 – whilst in the US in 2009, about 30% was wasted on unnecessary services, excessive administrative costs, fraud, and other problems. Professor Paton puts the extra cost of the NHS market at about £5 billion.

This sickening state of affairs need not continue, but it will unless Parliament passes a law to stop it. The NHS Bill aims to do this, by restoring the duty to provide and returning the NHS in England to full public ownership, as in Scotland and Wales, based on bottom-up proposals developed by current commissioners, trusts and local authorities with patients, voluntary organisations, trade unionists and academics.

The most common criticism of the Bill from those who can’t see the wood for the trees is that the last thing the NHS needs is another top-down major reorganisation. Nobody wants unnecessary disruption, but massive and expensive fragmentation and disorganisation is currently underway and this is appreciated by many who work in the NHS – hence support for the Bill from Unite and the BMA.

Over 62,000 people have signed a petition urging MPs to turn up in the Commons on Friday and to support the Bill. We wait to see whether they are worthy of our trust.

Protecting confidential patient information and promoting public health research


In December 2013, NHS England directed the Health and Social Care Information Centre to establish a system for uploading and linking GP patient coded data with identifiers, using its new powers in Part 9 of the Health and Social Care Act 2012. In February, after an effective campaign by the British Medical Association, the Royal College of General Practitioners and medConfidential, a six-month delay was announced.

In March the government sought to amend the Care Bill in the House of Commons in a bid to allay concerns about patient confidentiality. Its amendments, however, were criticised as inadequate, and the Bill is due to come before the House of Lords on 07 May. The fiasco and the rushed legislative response are symptoms of the government’s privatisation agenda trumping patient confidentiality and the need to collect and use data for public health research, planning and audit.

We set out below three proposed amendments to the Care Bill which we consider are needed to help restore public trust in the handling of patient information.

Proposed amendment 1: retaining control and management of confidential information

This amendment would ensure as a general rule that disclosure to and use of confidential information by commercial organisations involved in health and social care is not permitted. Three clear and mainly consent-based exceptions to this general rule are proposed; and, in addition, it would not apply to future “section 251 approvals” or to drug trials.

Proposed amendment 2: putting the Independent Information Governance Oversight Panel on a statutory footing

This amendment would place on a statutory footing the current non-statutory Independent Information Governance Oversight Panel chaired by Dame Fiona Caldicott and set up by the Secretary of State with the main function of advising on information governance across the health and social care system.

Proposed amendment 3: independent oversight over certain directions and the accreditation scheme

This amendment would revoke the directions made by NHS England in December 2013 in order to implement the programme, and ensure independent oversight of the Secretary of State’s and NHS England’s directions to the Health and Social Care Information Centre, and of the awaited Secretary of State’s regulations to establish an accreditation scheme for private sector information providers.

We set out and explain further each of the proposed amendments below.

Proposed amendment (1)

Retaining control and management of confidential information

Insert the following new section into Part 9 of the Health and Social Care Act 2012-

Control and management of confidential information

(1) Subject to subsections (3), (4) and (5), nothing in this Part shall permit or require the collection, analysis, publication, dissemination or other processing of confidential information by or to any person which is a relevant commercial organisation.

(2) Subject to subsections (3), (4) and (5), any confidential information held at the date this subsection comes into force by any person which is a relevant commercial organisation shall not be processed and shall be held subject to directions from the Secretary of State.

(3) Subsections (1) and (2) shall not apply if and to the extent that the confidential information has been disclosed to the relevant commercial organisation:

(a) by the individual to whom the information relates, or

(b) in the lawful exercise of a statutory power and not in breach of any professional regulation,

and, in either case, one of the three conditions set out in subsection (4) applies.

(4) The conditions referred to in subsection (3) are:

(a) the purpose of the processing has been previously disclosed to the individual to whom the information relates and his prior express consent has been obtained, or

(b) the individual to whom the information relates is dead or is a minor, the purpose of the processing has been previously disclosed to his next of kin or his parent or guardian, as the case may be, and their prior express consent has been obtained, or

(c) previous disclosure and prior express consent was reasonably and manifestly impracticable and the organisation holding the information acted reasonably in all the circumstances.

(5) This section does not apply to aggregated information provided to a person which has been designated an accredited information service provider under section 267.

(6) In this section:

“confidential information” means information which—

(a) identifies any individual to whom the information relates who is not an individual who provides health care or adult social care, or

(b) enables the identity of such an individual to be ascertained.

“processing” in relation to information has the same meaning as in the Data Protection Act 1998; and “processed” shall be construed accordingly;

“professional regulation” means any regulation, rule, standard, advice, guidance or recommendation applicable to the person disclosing the information and adopted by a regulatory body listed in section 25(3) of the National Health Service Reform and Health Care Professions Act 2002;

“relevant commercial organisation” means:

(a) a body which is incorporated under the law of any part of the United Kingdom and which carries on a business (whether there or elsewhere) relating to health and social care,

(b) any other body corporate (wherever incorporated) which carries on a business, or part of a business, in any part of the United Kingdom, relating to health or social care,

(c) a partnership which is formed under the law of any part of the United Kingdom and which carries on a business (whether there or elsewhere) relating to health or social care, or

(d) any other partnership (wherever formed) which carries on a business, or part of a business, in any part of the United Kingdom, relating to health or social care.


The purpose of this amendment is to ensure as a general rule that disclosure to and use of confidential information by commercial organisations (as defined by the Bribery Act 2010, section 7) involved in health and social care is not permitted.

The general rule is in two parts. The first part is set out in subsection (1) and applies to the future. It would apply to confidential information which might in the future be processed under the new provisions in Part 9 of the Health and Social Care Act 2012. It would not apply to processing under future approvals under The Health Service (Control of Patient Information) Regulations 2002 (commonly referred to as “section 251 approvals”). This reflects the higher level of trust in the longer-established s.251 approval process.

The second part is set out in subsection (2) and applies to the past. Because of the present lack of transparency as regards which private companies already hold confidential patient information, for what purposes (including internal corporate group use), under which legal powers and subject to what legal restrictions, this subsection would apply to confidential information held by companies at the time the subsection came into effect. Before the subsection came into effect, the intention is that the Secretary of State would investigate, publish and consult on these aspects, and thereafter give directions to the commercial organizations concerned as to how they should deal with the confidential information.
Three categories of exception to the general rule are proposed. First, it would not apply where the organisation (such as a GP practice operating in partnership or as a limited company or a private health company offering publically-funded GP or other services) had obtained the information from the individual himself or herself, the purpose of the processing was previously disclosed to the individual, and his or her prior express consent was obtained.

Second, it would not apply where the information was disclosed to the relevant commercial organisation in the lawful exercise of a statutory power and not in breach of any professional rule or standard (for example, established by the General Medical Council or similar professional regulator), the processing purpose had been previously disclosed to the individual and he or she had given express consent.

Third, it would not apply to aggregated information provided to private sector information service providers accredited under regulations which the Secretary of State may make under section 267 of the Health and Social Care Act 2012, on the assumption that such regulations would be adopted after approval by The Independent Oversight Panel or under the super-affirmative resolution procedure (see Proposed Amendments (2) and (3)).

If individuals have died or are children, their next of kin’s or parental consent should have been obtained. Consent and previous disclosure would not be needed where this would have been reasonably and manifestly impracticable, provided the person holding the information has acted reasonably in all the circumstances (which could involve, for example, having advertised the intended use and made attempts to identify and locate the individuals concerned).

This amendment is not intended to apply to the pre-marketing trials of new drugs, which require participants’ consent, or to post-marketing surveillance and pharmacovigilance obligations of drug companies under drug regulation law.

Proposed amendment (2)

Putting the Independent Information Governance Oversight Panel on a statutory footing

Insert the following new section into the Care Bill –

The Oversight Panel

(1) There is to be a panel known as the Independent Information Governance Oversight Panel (referred to in this section as “the Oversight Panel”).

(2) The main duty of the Oversight Panel shall be to provide independent advice on all matters relating to the governance of information in relation to health and adult social care services.

(3) In exercising its main duty, the Oversight Panel shall:

(a) provide advice and make recommendations and proposals on such governance to the Secretary of State, and report annually; and

(b) provide advice on such governance to any other person or body in relation to health and adult social care services.

(4) Any person or body who is advised by the Oversight Panel pursuant to this section shall have regard to that advice.

(5) The Secretary of State may by regulations make provision about the Oversight Panel relating, in particular, to appointment of the chair and other members, terms of appointment, establishment and membership of committees or sub-committees, its proceedings and payment of remuneration, allowances and expenses.


This amendment would place on a statutory footing the current non-statutory Independent Information Governance Oversight Panel chaired by Dame Fiona Caldicott and set up by the Secretary of State, as well as its present non-statutory terms of reference. It would also require persons and bodies across the health and social care system to have regard to its advice.

Reinstating independent statutory oversight of information governance is a prerequisite for public trust, after abolition in the 2012 Act of the National Information Governance Board. The Panel’s currently non-statutory annual reports and functions to advise and challenge would become legal duties to which regard must be had.

Proposed amendment (3)

Independent oversight over certain directions and the accreditation scheme

Insert the following new section into Part 9 of the Health and Social Care Act 2012-

Revocation and independent oversight

(1) The Health and Social Care Information Centre (Establishment of Information Systems for NHS Services: Collection and Analysis of Primary Care Data) Directions 2013 are revoked.

(2) Directions of the Secretary of State and of NHS England under section 254(1), and regulations under section 267 shall not be made without the approval of The Independent Information Government Oversight Panel.


Subsection (1) of this amendment would revoke the directions made by NHS England in December 2013 in order to implement the programme.

Subsection (2) would ensure in the future independent oversight of the Secretary of State’s and NHS England’s directions to the Health and Social Care Information Centre under section 254 (1) of the 2012 Act, and of the regulations that the Secretary of State is empowered to make under s.267 to establish an accreditation scheme for private sector information providers, by requiring the previous approval of the Oversight Panel.

If the Oversight Panel was not to be put on a statutory footing (along the lines set out in Proposed Amendment (2)), we would propose that subsection (2) should read:

“(2) Directions of the Secretary of State and of NHS England under section 254(1), and regulations under section 267 shall not take effect unless an order has been made by the Secretary of State in accordance with the super-affirmative resolution procedure under section 18 of the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act 2006; and the provisions of Part 1 of that Act shall apply to such an order as if it was to be made and was made under that Part.”

Procedure for super-affirmative resolution (para 3)

Why the public should opt in to and out of data privatisation

The NHS England leaflet ‘Better information means better care’, sent to every household in England, has triggered a campaign to encourage people to opt out of the new system by telling their GP that they do not want their health records uploaded to it.

Opting out will undermine both the new system and our existing national statistics, while playing into the hands of the private sector, as it means data will be inadequate to assess the impact of government policies to privatise the NHS.

The aim of is to link together coded records from general practice with data from other national data systems, starting with linkage to the Hospital Episode Statistics. The plans are to provide ‘linked data, that will eventually cover all care settings, both in and outside of hospital.’ This is explained by the Health and Social Care Information Centre and NHS England. England is well behind Scotland and Wales both in data linkage and in engaging with the public about it. should not be confused with Summary Care Records , the purpose of which is to share clinical information between individual patients and the professionals who provide care to them. There are no plans to upload these records into

Although England has had NHS hospital data analysed at a national level for a long time, this has not been the case with data from general practice, where most care takes place. Because of this, the GP Extraction Service was set up in 2011 with a budget of £40m to extract data from general practice systems and analyse them at a national level for England. If this and the further data linkage works, it would provide valuable population-based statistical information for commissioners and public health officials, and for researchers allowing us to, for example, monitor inequalities in access and unmet need and changes in rates of heart disease and cancer.

The system will cost over £50m and its web site gives no indications of any routine analyses to be done in-house. Meanwhile cuts of £9m to the Office for National Statistics include cuts of £1m in its statistical outputs, which will lead to the loss of a range of highly regarded health statistics. The future of the decennial census, which dates back to 1801 in England and Wales and is essential for public health as it provides data on the whole population, is also uncertain.

There are justifiable concerns that the government is preparing the way for the commercial exploitation and use of our NHS data and that the private sector will have priority in accessing the data for analysis. The person in charge of, in his role as National Director for Patients and Information at NHS England, is former Sunday Times journalist, Tim Kelsey, founder of Dr Foster, which was the subject of a critical parliamentary Public Accounts Committee enquiry. Dr Foster analyses NHS patient data and then sells back the analyses to the NHS organisations that collect the data. Roger Taylor, co-founder of Dr Foster, has been appointed to a senior role in the Care Quality Commission, and Kingsley Manning has been appointed Chair of the Health and Social Care Information Centre. He was founder and managing director of health and information consultancy firm Newchurch, which provided advice on PFI and sell off of NHS assets, and former head of health at Tribal (now part of Capita). These corporate appointments are akin to putting bankers in charge of NHS hospitals.

To make matters worse, clinical commissioning groups do not analyse data in-house to inform their decisions. Since the Health and Social Care Act came into force, vital information functions have been outsourced to commissioning support units, organisations that have no basis in law and that are temporarily hosted by NHS England. Plans to float these organisations on the stock market have been suspended in favour of turning them into social enterprises, staff mutuals, customer controlled social enterprises, or joint ventures. Clinical commissioning groups should demand that these information functions and the associated NHS funds and staff be returned to them before any privatisation takes place.

Campaigners are concerned that pharmaceutical industry and health insurance companies will be simply ‘given’ the data, although Section 251 of the NHS Act 2006 requires them to state what uses will be made of data and how they will be stored securely. They will also have to answer similar questions from the Health and Social Care Information Centre’s Data Access Advisory Group. While applicants do not get ownership of the data they are able to use them and this raises serious questions about the purposes to which the data will be used and the extent to which analyses may be sold on. There is still no clarity or transparency about the ownership and control of the data, how the data will be accessed and used by the private sector, or how statistics about NHS funded private care will be made available to all.

We need reassurance from government that the data will be used to produce and publish national statistics in line with the National Statistics Code of Practice. The Code, overseen by the UK Statistics Authority, is designed to be observed by all the public bodies that produce official statistics. It is considered to be central to maintaining a unified statistical service that meets the needs of government and society and is both trustworthy and trusted.

As the government is privatising health care, it is crucial to have complete and high quality data to monitor the impact of these policies. The private sector has a poor track record for data collection. The atrocious quality of private sector data returns made it impossible to monitor contract compliance for independent sector treatment centres, the government’s £4bn programme for elective surgery, where NHS funds were diverted to for-profit providers. General practices owned by private companies such as Virgin and Serco will be protected from scrutiny if their patients opt out, as there will be no data about them –  as is already the case in nursing and residential care homes.

Instead a public campaign is needed to promote public data and oppose privatisation of both our healthcare services and data functions. Patients and the public need to make clear to NHS England that their consent for medical records to be uploaded to is conditional on it not being used for commercial purposes or handed over to third parties such as drug companies and health insurance and health care corporations. Such a campaign must make links between opposing the privatisation of the data collection and analysis systems and opposing the privatisation of our health services, and must ensure that NHS England and Care Commissioning Groups oppose both.

Prof Alison Macfarlane
Professor of Perinatal Health
City University London
44 (0)20 7040 5832

Prof Allyson Pollock
Professor of Public Health Research and Policy
Queen Mary University of London
44 (0)20 7882 5637

Bad science concerning NHS competition is being used to support the controversial Health and Social Care Bill

Published on the LSE blog, 05 March 2012

The drip feed of pro-competition studies from Zack Cooper at LSE raises serious questions for the academic community and the public about what constitutes bad science and what to do about its politicisation. Recently, on 21 February in the columns of the FT, the Cooper and colleague Julian Le Grand warded off serious scientific criticisms of the studies with an ad hominem attack, categorising those in favour of competition as empiricists and those whose work is critical of markets in health care as intuitivists. In so doing they sweep aside decades of careful economic theory and evidence which shows why markets do not work in health services and distract the reader from the facts that their work is ungrounded and far from empirical. Their repeated claims that competition in the NHS saves lives and improves quality and productivity have no scientific basis.

In July 2011, Cooper and colleagues at the LSE press-released an unpublished paper to coincide with the prime minister’s announcement on the Future Forum which had been set up in response to deep public concerns about the Health and Social Care (HSC) Bill. These concerns resulted in the government suspending the legislative process for two months to undertake a ‘listening exercise’ with the public. The FT and The Economist put their paper centre stage in the HSC Bill debate. The authors were sufficiently persuasive for the prime minister to declare that “competition is one way we can make things work better for patients. This isn’t ideological theory. A study published by the London School of Economics found hospitals in areas with more choice had lower death rates.” The study in question claimed that “using [acute myocardial infarction] AMI mortality as a quality indicator, … mortality fell more quickly (i.e. quality improved) for patients living in more competitive markets after the introduction of hospital competition (to the NHS) in January 2006”.

The major improvements in outcome after acute myocardial infarction can be attributed to improvements in primary prevention in general practice and in hospital care, including the introduction of percutaneous IV angiography. The government’s own cardiac Tzar, Sir Roger Boyle, was sufficiently angered by their claims to respond with withering criticism: “AMI is a medical emergency: patients can’t choose where to have their heart attack or where to be treated!” It is “bizarre to choose a condition where choice by consumer can have virtually no effect”. Patients suffering “severe pain in emergencies clouded by strong analgesia don’t make choices. It’s the ambulance driver who follows the protocol and drives to the nearest heart attack centre”.

The intervention that the authors claimed reduced heart attacks and was a proxy for competition was patient choice. In 2006, patients were given choices of hospitals including private for-profit providers for some selected treatments. Less than the half patients surveyed in 2008 even remember being given a choice, and only a tiny proportion made those choices based on data from the NHS choices website. If patient choice was one of the two key elements of competition, it wasn’t prevalent and rather than being derived from the authors’ data, it was assumed.

Crucially, even if patient choice had occurred it does not explain why heart attack mortality rates fell. There is no biological mechanism to explain why having a choice of providers for elective hip and knee operations surgery (including hospitals which did not treat or admit acute MI patients) could affect the overall outcomes from acute myocardial infarction where patients do not exercise choice over where they are treated.

The problem of data dredging is well known; if you repeat an analysis often enough significant statistical associations will appear. But the authors make the cardinal error of not understanding their data and of confusing minor statistical associations with causation. Deaths from acute MI are not a measure of quality of hospital care, rather a measure of access to and quality of cardiology care. At best, what the paper appears to show is not the effect of choice on heart attacks but that if an individual has a heart attack in an area close to a hospital and their GP is near the hospital, then outcomes are better, but such findings are not new.

Cooper’s working paper which the government cited as supporting their reforms was subsequently published in the Economic Journal. That it got through that journal’s peer-review process is perhaps indicative of the poor understanding of healthcare and routine data from reviewers of that journal. Our response to their flawed work was published in a peer-reviewed piece in the Lancet. They responded with mainly ad hominem attack and we again responded with scientific criticism.

Last week Cooper and colleagues were at it again with another working paper (as yet unpublished in an academic journal) that was once again miraculously timed to coincide with an important event; the prime minister’s summit on the NHS Bill. This time the authors claim that length of stay fell more rapidly in NHS hospitals experiencing greater competition and that the risk of cherry picking by the private sector made a case for risk adjusted price. Once again, the authors were careless with the data and the study design.

There are three problems with their analysis of the data: they seem unaware that lengths of stay differ between the conditions they examine; they ignore the political context in which the data was generated; and finally, they show little knowledge of the particularities of the conditions they include and how these will affect the data.

Cooper and his colleagues use the average length of stay for four conditions, elective hip replacements, knee replacements, hernia repairs and arthroscopies, each of which differs widely in lengths of stay. Arthroscopy is usually done as an outpatient and may not be recorded on hospital episode statistics. Hernia repair is usually a day case although the average overall length of stay varies by type of procedure and with median lengths of stay of one or two days. In contrast, hip and knee replacements have median lengths of post-operative stay of four or five days again depending on the procedures and morbidity, with average lengths of stay in 2010-11 ranging from 5.9 to 8.2 days for hip replacements and 5.5 to 5.8 for knees. (See the Information Centre inpatient and outpatient data)

Thus, if providers have switched to arthroscopies and hernia repairs or to operating on patients who are well and healthy they will appear to have shortened their pre-operative and post-operative length of stay to less than a day. So a provider’s length of stay will depend on the mixture of operations and mixture of patients and how far they travel. The authors appear to have made no attempt to examine differences in case mix and length of stay. This is a serious error.

Equally, the authors do not look at how clinical coding changed following the introduction of the tariff in 2006. Gaming, upcoding and diagnostic drift are widely recognised in research on the NHS in the 2000s, with providers seeking to improve and increase their payments through fraudulent billing and accounting. This will apply especially where hospitals are under severe financial pressures and have strong motivations and perverse incentives to change the coding procedures. Arthroscopy procedures, which previously have been coded as an outpatient activity or not at all (i.e. it would not have been counted as an admission), may now be recorded separately as a day case inpatient procedure. These changes in coding distort measures of productivity so that providers may appear to be more efficient as they appear to do more work than they actually do.

Finally, length of stay is also a product of a range of factors related to the conditions in their data; pre-operative work for hip and knee replacement needs to take account of rurality and patient fitness for discharge, especially if patients live alone and have other co-morbidities and complexities. Patients who live close to a hospital may come in as an outpatient, while patients who live some distance away may require overnight stays. The authors should also have looked at readmission rates; premature discharge can result in readmission. The authors have not attempted to examine any of these factors, and neither have they considered the effect of hospital concentration on their data.

Le Grand and Cooper call themselves ‘empiricists’ and all those that disagree with them ‘intuitivists’. Unlike scientists, however, they have made no ‘real life’ observations themselves from which they have generated their theories. They do not appear to have the basic understanding of clinical practice. They have not made predictions, tested their theories with experiments, or adapted their models to see if they can do anything other than provide one explanation of many that could be derived from historical data. Moreover, they ignore the factors that underpin the generation of data and the need to understand how it is constructed and shaped. Data dredging has resulted in statistical associations but association is not causation. Bad science makes bad policy and bad policy leads to careless talk. Careless talk will cost lives especially when it is used in support of the HSC Bill.